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Sep. 12th, 2010 | 03:37 pm

CHAT ANONYMOUSLY ABOUT STUFF: General Anon Meme


It is what all the cool memes are doing nowadays!

The only rule is, don't be a total passive-aggressive douche. This isn't the place to spew all your vitriolic unrequited blackrom feelings for other members of of our dear fandom--or if you can't resist, at least don't mention them by name, that shit is just a little too petty. If it gets out of hand I'll ban you so fast Karkat would be impressed.

Other than that, hop to it, anons. And TITLE YOUR THREADS it could get pretty confusing all up in here if you didn't!



PS, as one kind anon pointed out, if you want to see the comments in chronological order instead of thread format, put ?view=flat after html in the URL. Or click here, whatever.
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BLUH BLUH HUGE BITCH

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 15th, 2010 12:09 am (UTC)
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It's a phrase in the comic and if you can work it into whatever you're talking about you have typed the same phrase as our god-king Hussie.

But it needs to be taken out back and shot.

Every time a female character does something bad or just aggressive, it gets reduced to HUGE BITCH (LOL). Even if the thing wasn't a big deal, it has to be talked about like it was because otherwise we couldn't work the phrase in.

HEY GUYS, SNOWMAN ACTUALLY DIDN'T DO ANYTHING BITCHY OR EVEN BAD. SHE STABBED A PSYCHOPATH WHO JUST MURDERED SEVERAL PEOPLE A FEW PAGES BACK. THE SAME PSYCHOPATH WHO COINED THE PHRASE. SHUT THE FUCK UP.

But it's so ~funny~ and now half of formspring is devoted to how LOL she's such a huge bitch BLUH BLUH everyone hates and fears her but they like her tits! Get it? Because she's a horrible violent shrew but she's really fucking hot! Thanks fandom! Hey, maybe she could also have constant mood swings because women are psychotic and irrational oh good I see you're already on it.

I know some people want to reclaim it but you can't. When you say "Wow she's a bitch!" and mean she's awesome, what they hear is "How dare she, she needs to be put in her place." And when other people use it and you agree, that is what you're agreeing with. Don't look surprised when it ends up with a flashing BITCH WHORE on a picture of a thirteen year old.

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Re: BLUH BLUH HUGE BITCH

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 15th, 2010 12:58 am (UTC)
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Meh, it's the same old fan misogyny like you get in every single fandom that ever fanned. Doesn't even faze me anymore, really.

(captcha says "matador dryad-like". Tavros? Is that you?)

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Re: BLUH BLUH HUGE BITCH

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 15th, 2010 01:14 am (UTC)
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Just because things suck in general doesn't mean you can't complain about things sucking in particular.

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Re: BLUH BLUH HUGE BITCH

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 15th, 2010 05:04 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, the Formspring portrayal of Snowman has always bothered me when I see it, just because all she seems to do is sleep with everyone. She never uses that whip for any other purpose.

But I think the reason Snowman is seen as a huge bitch is because Spades Slick is our player character. He does silly things. He kills The Felt because they are trying to kill him too and because he's a funny jerk. Snowman is cast as the pseudo-villian just because she works for the organization slightly more threatening than the Midnight Crew. (Though who knows what Lord English is? It's just an assumption people make that Lord English is pure evil.)

Though I do think you're over reacting a bit. Snowman is just treated as the huge bitch because that's how people like to think of her. Jack isn't treated as badly because he's the main villian and he's expected to do bad things. We don't really have an evil male side-villian (But who knows what Droog is up to?) to compare reactions, but I think the "huge bitch" term is just because it's just funny.

tl;dr- HUGE BITCH has become more of a term of endearment in the fandom now, and while Formspring!Snowman is on the misogynist side, the other Snowman's I have seen have been rather well balanced.

(This probably has a lot of typos, oh well.)

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Re: BLUH BLUH HUGE BITCH

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 15th, 2010 05:44 pm (UTC)
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I could put up with her having sex with everyone if it wasn't for how incredibly pathetic she is about it all...

I know Snowman fans use it as a term of endearment and I thought it was funny until I realized that EVERYONE uses it and the general perception in fandom IS that she's psycho. She gets flanderized into just eye stabbing people for no reason. People run around going HUGE BITCH and a lot of them don't mean it as a compliment. And others. That Snowman is supposedly canon because ATTACKING SOMEONE IS CRAZY AND THEREFORE SNOWMAN IS CRAZY AND A HUGE BITCH.

The other two formspring Snowmans are okay (one awesome, one good when she's not following the main one's lead), but almost everyone else is just an endless chorus of NO SHE'S A (HUGE) PSYCHO BITCH. It's fine from the Jacks, but then at some point it's as if everyone started taking what the Jacks said as canon. (Having the main Snowman run around agreeing with them didn't help there.) There was even a reverse side version, JackN0ir, saying his opposite side's White Queen was a crazy bitch who stabbed one of her agent's eyes out for the hell of it.

I know everyone thinks it's funny but it ends up shaping perception a lot.

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Re: BLUH BLUH HUGE BITCH

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 19th, 2010 03:08 am (UTC)
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Hi

I am one of the people who Rp as Snowman in Formspring. I do try to avoid this, but I hope you're not talking about me. I try to portray her as a person, but I do make her a little crazy, slutty, but also with a good heart and complex emotions that not even I can understand well.

In case you're wondering I play the second one to appear, and I wonder if you're talking about her instead because she is all serious business all the time.

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Not the original anon, but...

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 19th, 2010 05:10 am (UTC)
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Honestly? Yes. Yes, you are a big part of the problem. Sometimes I wish you would just stop. The Snowman you play has nothing to do with the Snowman in the comic. She's just you on a bad day, and as someone who really loves the character I find it infuriating.

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Re: Not the original anon, but...

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 19th, 2010 05:40 am (UTC)
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The difference between putting a filter on your /own/ thought processes to roleplay and truly getting inside the head of someone else in roleplay is a very difficult gap to jump. I know that from experience, and I don't think this particular person is going to appreciate your attempts to force them over.

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Re: Not the original anon, but...

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 19th, 2010 08:06 am (UTC)
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Wait which one are you speaking of?

There are three active ones:

SupremeMonarch(the first one)-almost never replies, is more poised and not very talkative. Might be more closer to canon. Really bitchy, stern and serious.

DatSnowy(the second one)-Emotional, confused, complex. She is tired of worn from years of seeking revenge and having been raised to put on the queenly mask. Naturally this made her a little loopy in the head. Her emotional range can rapidly switch from fun, perky, nice, considerate, to violent, enraged, and pissed, to deppressed and sad. Probably has Borderline Personality Disorder.(yes this is the same anon who plays her)

SnowmanFelt(the third one)-This seems to be a good balance between 1 & 2, she's not exactly stiff and poised like the first one but she is pretty snooty and strict. On the other hand she is not afraid to be more expressive and confess things about the way she feels. She has her issues too and is also confused about her feelings often. However unlike DatSnowy she still strives to maintain a strong image.

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FOR FUCK'S SAKE

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 19th, 2010 12:08 pm (UTC)
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NO SHE IS NOT REALLY BITCHY.

Why is it every time someone female tries to have something resembling FUCKING SELF CONTROL all anyone can do is scream BITCH over and over again? What the hell did she do that was so BITCHY that every other player on formspring has to define her as THE BITCHY ONE? Was it when she DIDN'T flip out over Slick? Or when she DIDN'T violently murder anons? Oh, maybe when she DIDN'T push other Felt members down the stairs, was that it? God, what a BITCH.

Not the player, just someone who's really fucking glad that I never tried playing because I'd probably have normal conversations with people or do other BITCHY things like that instead of molesting drunk people and then shoving them down stairs.

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Re: FOR FUCK'S SAKE: +1

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 19th, 2010 01:35 pm (UTC)
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SupremeMonarch is actually one of the more helpful characters on Formspring. She's very reticent, but I don't ever recall (disclosure: I was only following the Formspring players for like a month before I got bored and stopped) one non-Slick person asking her a reasonable question and not getting a real answer back. That includes stuff like "will you play chess with me" or requests for advice. Even with Slick, I don't remember her ever acting in ways that were "bitchy". She wasn't snide or catty. She communicated in a poised and dignified way that she was amused by him and his many, many failings.

I'm very fond of that player. I thought that RP was one of the best on Formspring.

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Re: Not the original anon, but...

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 19th, 2010 07:53 pm (UTC)
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I am speaking of the one you play. Because it is obvious who you are. You have a very distinct internet voice.

Also, Borderline Personality Disorder? Are you serious? Speaking of ideas that need to be taken out back and shot. If that's something you've been diagnosed with, I'm sorry. You've probably been really screwed over.

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Re: Not the original anon, but...

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 19th, 2010 09:08 pm (UTC)
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It was never my understanding that she was trying to be anything; her personality was a natural fit for the role of Queen of Derse because, well, she was literally made for it. Not only did she do it well, she liked being in a position of power. She's cunning and calculating and probably runs the whole Felt show from the backstage as Snowman. Both Queens bide their time before striking; they have plans, they don't falter, and they're not impulsive. If they get violent, they have reasons for it other than "you make me feel angry." I have a friend with borderline personality disorder; she couldn't run a country like Snowman. She couldn't be Snowman. They are almost at the opposite end of the spectrum.

I understand you are playing an AU version of her but at this point it conflicts so much with what we can take from canon I feel that you are almost playing an original character.

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the original anon wants to add...

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 19th, 2010 09:18 pm (UTC)
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BPD, even besides all the questions about its meaning in psychiatric circles, isn't a good idea for RP because you might as well call it OOC disorder. It means the character will respond in contradictory over the top ways, coming off as cartoonish and exaggerated and inconsistent. It's really hard to portray that and have it look it's on purpose rather than bad roleplaying, even if you meant it to be that way.

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Re: BLUH BLUH HUGE BITCH

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 19th, 2010 03:13 am (UTC)
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I mean the first one is the serious business Snowman all the time.

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Re: BLUH BLUH HUGE BITCH

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 16th, 2010 02:55 am (UTC)
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Huge bitch really doesn't bother me int he context of the comic because you have to consider who is saying it.

Slick really isn't a character to look-up to or a paragon of saintly virtue, he's an asshole and his jack-ass personality really came out during the intermission. He's a villain and villains call people "huge bitches".

Just my take on it.

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Re: BLUH BLUH HUGE BITCH

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 16th, 2010 02:59 am (UTC)
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Same Anon expanding on previous thought for clarification: Yes, the fans probably do need to stop using it outside of talking about its use within the comic itself because once you cross the line from "this is what happened within fiction" and "this is how i actually feel irl" then problems start and we end up with bitchwhore.gif and people cheering on the guy who made it.

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Re: BLUH BLUH HUGE BITCH

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 16th, 2010 03:08 am (UTC)
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It didn't and still doesn't bother me in the comic.

Slick really isn't a character to look-up to or a paragon of saintly virtue, he's an asshole and his jack-ass personality really came out during the intermission. He's a villain and villains call people "huge bitches".

I agree, but I'm not sure that's the majority view. Lot of people still treat it as an objective fact. The attitude seems like that Slick's a bad person, but Snowman must be too because we know she's a huge bitch. Because Slick said she was.

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Re: BLUH BLUH HUGE BITCH

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 16th, 2010 04:10 am (UTC)
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Haha, I just realized I used the phrase "jack-ass" to describe Slick. I am the unintentional comedian
It's me.

"I agree, but I'm not sure that's the majority view. Lot of people still treat it as an objective fact. The attitude seems like that Slick's a bad person, but Snowman must be too because we know she's a huge bitch. Because Slick said she was."


Man, then there are people who don't understand how to read or how characters, I guess! v0v

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Re: BLUH BLUH HUGE BITCH

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 16th, 2010 04:21 am (UTC)
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Well yes.

If it was the comic being faily and misogynistic I wouldn't be reading it in the first place.

You know I cringed at the update about the troll BQ when she was called vain. Not because he did anything wrong writing it. It's clever and I think humanizes her more and it's a funny point of similarity between her and Jack even. But I read it and knew that I was going to start hearing that she was stupid and vain. Because Jack hating his outfit is proof he's ~dignified~ but for her it would mean she's arrogant and shallow.

Then a fanfic I was reading did exactly that. And I was really enjoying it too.

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Re: BLUH BLUH HUGE BITCH

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 16th, 2010 05:20 pm (UTC)
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Jack hating his outfit is proof that he's a petty, vain, authority-hating jerkface... pretty much the opposite of dignified. I've literally never heard anyone interpret his hatred for clown princess hats as dignified. Then again I'm not in the RP circuit and don't read fanfiction often, so I might just not be in the right place to see that.

And the queens aren't stupid either. I think it was mentioned somewhere (Andrew's formspring maybe?) that the Queen is the royal to watch out for, not the King, who has brute strength and stamina but nothing else. The Queens are faster and more intelligent, they're the strategists who manage the war on Skaia while ALSO ruling Derse/Prospit (which it appears they do rather well). The Black Queen will come down to the battlefield herself if the players manage to get that far and ruin them, like how the queen is usually one of the last mobilized pieces in chess, but it's the "strongest" one with the biggest movement range. If she hadn't been exiled in the trolls' game, they would have never made it to the Black King fight. Take out the Black Queen before she is ready to move and you might have a chance at winning, that was a fact made explicit in the same update people got the idea that she was vain and stupid from.

Anyway the point is that people who think Jack is dignified and that the Black Queen is stupid need to reread the comic.

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Re: BLUH BLUH HUGE BITCH

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 16th, 2010 06:22 pm (UTC)
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I've seen some people act like Jack was completely justified in killing her because she tried to stick him in stupid outfits.

What you're saying about the Queen makes sense with the chess metaphor/what's happened in the comic/Andrew generally being awesome but I hadn't read that. (Maybe it was a forum post? If you remember tell me.) And yes but if they were good at reading they'd have read the paragraph on all the shit she WOULD have put up with instead of getting bored right after the word vain.

The fanfic/RP area has a lot of Jack-was-the-one-running-the-country stuff, or Jack was trying to run it around her stupid excesses and time wasting and laziness, or the King was in charge AND Jack was the one doing everything. It's not universal but it's still pretty fucking grating to keep running into.

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Re: BLUH BLUH HUGE BITCH

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 19th, 2010 03:12 am (UTC)
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Haha! I agree, I actually am one of the people who Rp as Snowman and sometiems I laugh, other times I geniunely am peeved when other characters react to Snowman as if she where the boogyman.

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Re: BLUH BLUH HUGE BITCH

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 19th, 2010 05:17 am (UTC)
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Hello F., just earlier today I was reading over that conversation we had about this in July and thinking how much I've missed hearing from you since then. Update your journal!

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Re: BLUH BLUH HUGE BITCH

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 19th, 2010 10:34 am (UTC)
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...well, fuck.

Yeah, sorry, been slumming. Missed talking to you guys too, just been stressed.

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