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Sep. 12th, 2010 | 03:37 pm

CHAT ANONYMOUSLY ABOUT STUFF: General Anon Meme


It is what all the cool memes are doing nowadays!

The only rule is, don't be a total passive-aggressive douche. This isn't the place to spew all your vitriolic unrequited blackrom feelings for other members of of our dear fandom--or if you can't resist, at least don't mention them by name, that shit is just a little too petty. If it gets out of hand I'll ban you so fast Karkat would be impressed.

Other than that, hop to it, anons. And TITLE YOUR THREADS it could get pretty confusing all up in here if you didn't!



PS, as one kind anon pointed out, if you want to see the comments in chronological order instead of thread format, put ?view=flat after html in the URL. Or click here, whatever.
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lol this got too long

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 30th, 2011 10:53 pm (UTC)
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Look, for sprite edits, fuck, if that's how you want to keep track of it fine. But there's no story reason to shift them around that way. That's another way bloodswap AUs are lacking, people don't pick where characters go based on what character they can write an interesting story about, they do it based on an arbitrary rule. And it ends up changing too much all at once, so they're not "what would this character be like???" but "hey look at my Tavros/Gamzee hybrid OC!"
lmfao ok

there's no story reason to do what you are saying either! the move-it-down-the-line thing was how red dead virgo did it, and rdv was the fic that started the trend. i have seen far less of these than ones that switch castes around randomly, to make a line that is most interesting to them. so it is hardly an arbitrary rule, it is just one way (comparatively few) people have sorted out their aus, which is not inherently negative. "it ends up changing too much at once" i don't even get this line, how does rdv style change too much at once while picking and choosing who to swap with who to create a new line doesn't?? what.

the point is to change shit and see how the characters adapt! that is the entire point of an au. why would you just... put them in roughly the same living situations as the originals, and then change the hemospectrum (the thing you want to play with and elaborate on) so that it can accommodate the characters? most people don't actually write stories for their bloodswaps anyway, they just make character designs and draw pictures. is that what you are railing on over actual fics? because ok i can get that, those people don't really care if it is a cohesive, interesting story because they are only focused on one or two characters. otherwise i think maybe you are using strawmen!

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Re: terrible homestuck AUs

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 31st, 2011 12:57 am (UTC)
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Yes, but you can complain about there not being enough of one thing without being a jackass about the other thing.

Why is Homestuck fandom so full of AUs? There is pretty much nothing plotty taking place in Sburb! AUs don't interest me at all, I really wish people stuck more with canon sometimes.

Not that hard, guys, and it avoids all the UGH TERRIBLE AUS EVERYWHERE THEY'RE SO BORING AND STUPID ONLY DUMB SHIPPERS AVOID THE PLOT LIKE THIS crap that gets slung around. Even if one interests you over the other, it doesn't make one intrinsically worse or lesser than the other.

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Re: WELP THAT'S IT THEN.

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 31st, 2011 01:07 am (UTC)
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I didn't say juggernaut, I just said het pairings in general. And I didn't bring up femslash just because if we're talking about Gamzee/Tavros, there's not really a femslash option there.

And I didn't say it was only about that for everyone, either. Again, look at my last paragraph. Questioning fandom trends as a whole can be useful. Jeering at specific ships and everyone who ships them isn't. Fandom's getting a lot more of the latter, lately, and I honestly hate it. Ship wars are stupid.

I also said "one of the few." To be honest, I don't remember Tavros and Aradia ever really interacting, so that's just my bad. Kanaya was nice to him. Nepeta was nice to him. Gamzee was nice to him. Jade was nice to him, for the most part. That makes Gamzee one of the few. There are people who are fond of Jade/Tavros, and I personally wouldn't want to matesprit-ship Kanaya with any of the guys, so that might be putting some people off Kanaya/Tavros. I'd like to see more Nepeta/Tavros because it seems cute. But I also like Gamzee/Tavros and don't think it has any less "canon support" than any of the above except for Tavros's crush on Jade.

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Re: The smell of slasher buttfury in the morning

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 31st, 2011 01:19 am (UTC)
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If ladies want to write about boys fucking, then go for it.

Thank you for ignoring that there are men who write fic too. Yes, even slash.

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Re: The smell of slasher buttfury in the morning

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 31st, 2011 01:23 am (UTC)
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Hey, this is a different anon interjecting here.

You're getting pretty angry over a valid complaint.

Someone actually did say something that comes across as "only women write slash" when they said: "If ladies want to write about boys fucking [...]"

You're right, they didn't have to say "and a few guys I guess (etc)," but what could have been said to avoid this whole debacle would have been "If people want to write about boys fucking [...]"

Then no one gets upset, no one feels left out, no one feels misgendered or angry for reasons that have nothing to do with the point of the original post.

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Re: The smell of slasher buttfury in the morning

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 31st, 2011 01:24 am (UTC)
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YOU DON'T DESERVE TO HAVE YOUR GENDER VALIDATED BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT IN THE MAJORITY

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Re: The smell of slasher buttfury in the morning

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 31st, 2011 01:35 am (UTC)
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I am just sitting here asking myself "but why do you care?"

Why does anyone care?

Okay, so people are "writing and reading about boys far more than girls." Who cares?

If you don't like writing about boys, don't. If you like writing about girls, do it. If you like writing about both, do it. Take the word writing out and substitute the word reading - same thing. Do it.

If you don't think there's enough of it out there, contribute. If you feel like you can't write, find a friend who writes who likes the same things you do and encourage them. Even on anon memes. Request the pairings you like on kink memes.

Who cares what "more people like". I just don't even understand why this ridiculously long argument is even happening.

Why does it matter what other people want to read and write? If you don't like it close the fic. No one is holding a gun to your head and making you contribute to or read the fic you don't like.

I just do not even, internet.

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Re: The smell of slasher buttfury in the morning

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 31st, 2011 01:45 am (UTC)
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So what if it's someone's preference, kink or fetish?

That's like saying I shouldn't like my girlfriend to fuck me with a strap on and only a strap on because you don't like that fetish. It's none of your damn business and it doesn't concern or affect you if someone likes slash and only slash.

Slash writers haven't made the girls actually disappear and they haven't stopped you from enjoying what you like. You don't like slash? That's wonderful! Go read het. Go read femslash. Go read genfic. That's all perfectly normal and healthy. So is slash. Just because someone doesn't write about the characters you like doesn't mean you can't find someone else who wrote about the characters you like. Request the stuff you like on memes! Write the stuff you like! Read exclusively the stuff you like.

I could just as easily be a complete jackass and assume that you avoid reading boy only fics because you're homophobic. But I'm not going to make that assumption because I don't know you. And you know what else? I don't care what you like and it doesn't hurt me if you don't like the same things I like.

tl;dr: It's none of your business if people want to read only fics about boys. It doesn't hurt you and no one's forcing you to read fic you don't like.

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Re: The smell of slasher buttfury in the morning

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 31st, 2011 01:52 am (UTC)
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I'm fucking sick of how men whine when something isn't about them. Anon says "stop policing women's sexuality" other anon says "I'm not talking about the porn women write" men start FUCKING WHINING because a tiny fraction of slash is written by them even though no one was ever talking about it even though that's not what this conversation is about!

IT'S NOT ABOUT THEM. NOT EVERYTHING IS.

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Re: THIS!

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 31st, 2011 02:01 am (UTC)
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I think you have two problems here.

1) slash
2) ooc fics

Certainly these things are not mutually exclusive but they aren't mutually inclusive, either. You can have slash fics that are not out of character.

I'm absolutely with you 100% on hating out of character fics. I would be disgusted if I read a John/Karkat fic that went like that. I would also be disgusted by a het fic that went similarly. Or a femmeslash fic.

If I were going to write your closing sentence over again, I would reword it though:

"It's a lot of convoluted OOC bullshit concocted specifically to make the characters behave the way you want them to."

Because I think John/Karkat can exist without erasing any female characters. I think it can exist without being ooc. Does that mean everyone writes it that way? Sadly, no. But that could be said for any pairing.

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Re: THIS!

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 31st, 2011 02:06 am (UTC)
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the point -> .










your head.

People are complaining about the fact the way people want the character to behave is to forget all their XX friends and have OOC buttsex. It isn't that John/Karkat is always OOC or that it's impossible to do unless all the girls are removed. It's that people choose to do both in a lot of cases.

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Re: The smell of slasher buttfury in the morning

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 31st, 2011 02:14 am (UTC)
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If your "preference" is that the very existence of women is disgusting, you're a bigot. If this was about how it's fine to remove all the non-Aryan friends of the two blonds you want fucking because ~it's your kink~, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Bigotry might be a kink but I don't give a fuck.

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Re: The smell of slasher buttfury in the morning

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 31st, 2011 02:17 am (UTC)
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That's an awful lot of caring about how dumb it is for other people to care about, anon.

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Re: WELP THAT'S IT THEN.

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 31st, 2011 02:19 am (UTC)
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To be honest, I don't remember Tavros and Aradia ever really interacting

She only got killed over him :/

They chat about his character and she talks about what a great player he is because he cares more about the roleplay aspect than the mechanical benefits. They're partners going up against Terezi and Vriska. After he's crippled she summons the dead in retaliation, only for Vriska to murder her. Their relationship is a major part of the plotline.

This would be the point some people are trying to make. People say it's not a double standard, the boys just have all this interaction and the girls don't. Except they don't. People don't pay attention to it in the first place, then they justify what they're doing by putting the blame on canon instead.

Talk about "general trends" is spineless nonsense if we have to tiptoe around all the pieces that cause the trend. Specifics add up to a whole. In this case the specifics are that a pairing with minimal interaction gets plenty of fic if it's m/m, little fic if it's m/f and virtually none if it's f/f.

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Re: The smell of slasher buttfury in the morning

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 31st, 2011 02:23 am (UTC)
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So, as related to the context of the original comment, you're saying that you don't mind situations where women are written as abused, hated, treated like shit, treated sub human or in sexist situations ~*~as long as people are writing them as "central" characters~*~.

Fuck, I would rather people not write women at all than live in a world where all the writing done about women was sexist and abusive. I guess I'm different from you, anon.

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Re: The smell of slasher buttfury in the morning

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 31st, 2011 02:27 am (UTC)
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So out of curiosity, trollykins, did you come over from the Big Scary Meme?

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Re: lol this got too long

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 31st, 2011 02:28 am (UTC)
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Changing all of them at once is switching too much at once. Doing it by moving them up or down in a row just happens to be a dumb way of doing it.

Two separate issues. Bloodswap AUs can be bad in varied ways.

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Re: WELP THAT'S IT THEN.

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 31st, 2011 03:44 am (UTC)
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Different anon, but

When they write relationships, including het, they write from the male POV.

If you are taking this argument beyond fanfic and into literature at large, I'm going to have to give you a big fat "no" here. Just take into account the normal tropes of a romance novel.

In the case of fanfic, I personally think it's more of a case of choosing the POV that's more fascinated with the other person. As a writer of Rose/Kanaya, I prefer Kanaya's POV because we get to see Rose through her eyes. A lot of women write fanfic. A lot of women like men. A lot of women like seeing these men having emotions, and one of the things that appeals to many is seeing vulnerability in the people you're attracted to. Seeing them pining, captivated. It's a soppy guilty pleasure, but there you go.

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Re: WELP THAT'S IT THEN.

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 31st, 2011 04:01 am (UTC)
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If you are taking this argument beyond fanfic and into literature at large, I'm going to have to give you a big fat "no" here. Just take into account the normal tropes of a romance novel.

Uh. That's a pretty big jump from "literature at large" to "the specific genre of romance novels". Which are marketed to women to boot, and which is one of the few types of writing that actually has very little representation among the male fanficcers, while most other male-dominated genres can be found there.

In the case of fanfic, I personally think it's more of a case of choosing the POV that's more fascinated with the other person.

An interesting theory but I'm not sure it holds up as a general rule. I've seen plenty of stories written from the POV of the character who's unaware of the other character's feelings. People like wibbling over the POV character wallowing in their unrequited feelings that turn out to be requited, but they also like watching the non-POV character pursue the previously unaware POV character because the POV character is so fascinating and wonderful. A good writer can often get across the emotional vulnerability of the non-POV just as well.

And then there's romances that don't have fascination and vulnerability as a major focus at all.

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from: anonymous
date: Jul. 31st, 2011 04:09 am (UTC)
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Okay I tried it out, and it seems to work alright. The only thing I wanted to point out was I needed to sign up before I could actually submit a prompt, and I poked around some of the other prompt memes and it seems that isn't always necessary? Is there an option to turn that off so people without accounts could maybe submit something? (Although having an account means you can edit your prompt when you wish, so ...?)

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Re: WELP THAT'S IT THEN.

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 31st, 2011 04:23 am (UTC)
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I was focused more on the "writing romance" part of your comment. Comparing fanfiction to romance lit seemed like, for the most part, the most direct comparison.

Oh, I know there are plenty of romances that don't focus so much on fascination, but you have to admit it's an easy trope for fic. Since so many of us are just amateurs writing for fun, we don't necessarily go for the big tactical maneuvers in POV. We cheat, and we sort of revel in the over-dramatic display. Either way it's written, if there's tons of exploration of men and their ~feelings, it's probably because there are so many women in fandom who are attracted to that. Which is...not wrong.

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Re: The smell of slasher buttfury in the morning

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 31st, 2011 04:31 am (UTC)
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Because these things are not by chance.

We're taught that "he" is the default pronoun, and people assume "he" is the gender of a person on the internet most of the time, unless the person is in an area that is overwhelmingly female in composition. Even then, some still assume anyone they speak to is male.

It's an insult to call someone who's "he" "she" by accident, but calling someone who's "she" "he" is not something to complain about. The same is true when talking of to groups of people, no matter what the proportions of the group.

"He" is what a character is. When little children read stories about puppies named Spot or teddies named Teddy, they're stories about how "he" did this or that. When older children read books, they're stories about the many things boys and men do, because boys can't be expected to identify with or care about anything about girls. But girls aren't expected to have any problems, because boy characters are universal and speak to everyone's experience.

"He" isn't a description of a character. "He" can be all sorts of things. But the one character who's "she" isn't anyone. "She" is the other one. "She" is the one who's different, the wet blanket who doesn't want to do the fun things, the one who's bossy and is scared of things no one else is and has to be rescued and ends up with the main character.

"He" is the main character.

Very rarely "she" seems like a main character, but "she" gets to tell the story that complements the one "he" gets. When "she" has a story, it's a story about giving things up for what's really important in life. "He" has a story about learning to use his powers to become a famous hero. "She" has a story about learning why her powers are bad and to give them up because they get in the way of what "she" really wants. "He" has a story about pursuing a dream. "She" has a story about realizing it was the wrong dream to pursue.

When little kids tell stories, boys tell stories about boys like them and girls tell stories about girls like them. When older kids tell stories, they tell stories about boys.

When people read stories that have both "he" and "she" in them, they pay more attention to the characters that are "he". Sometimes, they don't even notice what the ones that are "she" are doing. If they do notice, they tend to complain about how "she" is taking up too much space, talking too much, accomplishing too much. But not too much, because "she" usually isn't there to be a problem.

And then here we are, doing the same thing.

It's not a coincidence.

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Re: WELP THAT'S IT THEN.

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 31st, 2011 04:40 am (UTC)
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Not really. Romance is all sorts of a mess given how much of it is men writing marketed to women according to editors and publishers who are men, most of which is churned out to fit the publishing house's strict formula. I'm talking about the stories people want to tell on their own, not the stories they write according to a checklist because the publisher offered them money.

Oh, I know there are plenty of romances that don't focus so much on fascination, but you have to admit it's an easy trope for fic.

The thing is not that anyone's confused about why people would ever write it. It's why they write so much of it in comparison to other things, and why the parts of it that are unrelated to that still avoid female characters more often than not.

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from: anonymous
date: Jul. 31st, 2011 05:01 am (UTC)
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I just tried poking around to see. If you mean the other prompt memes that have the prompt form up when you click, I realized that's because I set the number of prompts you need in order to sign up to "0" instead of "1". (I meant it to be so people could fill without prompting, but it looks like you don't have to sign up to do that, so changed!) You're still signing up by submitting the prompt though. You can't even see the prompt option if you're logged out as far as I can tell.

But I have a shiny new account for people to share that can leave prompts! So no-accounters will be able to use that.

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Re: WELP THAT'S IT THEN.

from: anonymous
date: Jul. 31st, 2011 05:03 am (UTC)
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Okay, I will concede the point about the romance novels then. :) I probably spoke with too little information there. I honestly would love more fiction written by ladies about ladies, in all genres, but this does not make me regard a woman who writes a book from a male POV as somehow setting us back as a gender.

I am a bit confused about what "it" refers to in your last bit. Slash? Male POV? Fascination as a trope? Fascination makes the most sense with the quote you grabbed but in that case I don't understand the argument. If you're referring to slash or male POV, I'm still pretty positive it's a result of the high proportion of women who are attracted to men in fandom. Fan likes a male character? Fan gets into his head. Fanfic is a hobby, and most people will read/write pairings they like the chemistry of, not the ones they believe will advance social justice. If it's both, double bonus! But...it's still a hobby, and people will ship what they like. Again, there is nothing wrong with that, even if it involves men.

You may not agree, but I'm positive that if men were the dominant gender in fandom there'd be a huge femslash base, but again, they're not. So, sad as that may be, there isn't. The best thing to do if we want to see more femslash/het from ladies' perspectives is just...write more of it! Personally I think there is a very large segment of the fandom that's very appreciative of female characters, at least in comparison with older fandoms of mine.

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