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Sep. 12th, 2010 | 03:37 pm

CHAT ANONYMOUSLY ABOUT STUFF: General Anon Meme


It is what all the cool memes are doing nowadays!

The only rule is, don't be a total passive-aggressive douche. This isn't the place to spew all your vitriolic unrequited blackrom feelings for other members of of our dear fandom--or if you can't resist, at least don't mention them by name, that shit is just a little too petty. If it gets out of hand I'll ban you so fast Karkat would be impressed.

Other than that, hop to it, anons. And TITLE YOUR THREADS it could get pretty confusing all up in here if you didn't!



PS, as one kind anon pointed out, if you want to see the comments in chronological order instead of thread format, put ?view=flat after html in the URL. Or click here, whatever.
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Re: Characterization problems

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 23rd, 2011 05:06 pm (UTC)
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Innocent wangsty virgin Karkat is so annoying. He isn't always the best with recognizing his feelings, but he's the romcom expert and he wasn't exactly shy about making advances toward John. He's not going to pine silently in the background. And if he tries everyone would know after five minutes of his rants taking suspicious turns, because boy is Karkat not subtle about attraction.

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Re: Characterization problems

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 23rd, 2011 05:10 pm (UTC)
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There's a difference between waiting for a girl to get hammered before you make a pass at her and dropping roofies in her drink. One's bad and one's worse.

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Re: Characterization problems

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 23rd, 2011 05:49 pm (UTC)
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Yes, this. Karkat's lack of subtlety is also why I have a hard time buying even one-sided Karkat/John blackrom. If Karkat still had black feelings for John, we would all know about it, because he'd be referencing it the same way he keeps tripping over his attraction to Jade.

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Re: Characterization problems

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 23rd, 2011 06:35 pm (UTC)
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Well, Act 5's canon, anyway.

John used to have a little complexity, but then the trolls strutted in and suddenly there was massive character glut and Karkat was relegated to the role of Protagonist Of Homestuck.

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Re: Characterization problems

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 23rd, 2011 06:36 pm (UTC)
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+1

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Re: Characterization problems

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 23rd, 2011 06:42 pm (UTC)
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aus are stupid no fun allowed

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Re: Characterization problems

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 23rd, 2011 06:46 pm (UTC)
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If people are going to write OCs, I'd rather they admitted to it. Maybe then they'd bother to make up decent ones and develop their characters instead of throwing the canon cast in a blender and writing whatever gunk comes out.

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Re: Characterization problems

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 23rd, 2011 06:49 pm (UTC)
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I think Karkat might be on the same characterization road as John now that he's troll jesus forgiving Gamzee.

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Re: Characterization problems

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 23rd, 2011 06:54 pm (UTC)
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did bloodswaps kick your dog or something

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Re: Characterization problems

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 23rd, 2011 07:00 pm (UTC)
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Nah.

No one said that writing OCs was a bad thing.

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Re: Race and ethnicity

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 23rd, 2011 07:07 pm (UTC)
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Hussie's already answered that, actually, on the old Formspring. As I recall, his official answer was "they're stylized, so they can be any race you want them to be."

... which is really not how it works but whatever.

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Re: Characterization problems

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 23rd, 2011 07:11 pm (UTC)
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That's a false analogy. The girl chose to get hammered. Aradia didn't choose to have her emotions reprogrammed.

To my mind, what Equius tried is worse than what Vriska did to Tavros. Vriska's power forces people to take specific actions that they would not otherwise do. Equius attempted to change who Aradia was at her core.

Oh but it's okay because "she liked it."

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Re: Characterization problems

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 23rd, 2011 07:30 pm (UTC)
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It's quite possible to get hammered without realizing it if you don't have much experience with alcohol as well.

I do think his behavior was creepier, but I think there's a crucial difference between trying to make someone love you and not getting why that's wrong (and even adults make the mistake of thinking things like love potions are fine) and turning them into a full on stepford wife.

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Re: Characterization problems

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 23rd, 2011 07:34 pm (UTC)
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She had no reason to have any interest in him at all. She outright stated that she believed he (and Vriska) hated her. There is nothing about his behavior that didn't completely piss on her boundaries.

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Re: Characterization problems

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 23rd, 2011 07:50 pm (UTC)
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No one is arguing that. We know it pissed on her boundaries. We can see that's it's a bad thing.

What is being argued is that he didn't do it maliciously, he didn't try to take over her mental faculties, and that he is a dumb naive 13 year old with a perceived unrequited crush who wanted to give her a love potion so they could hold hands and kiss because he didn't think he had a chance otherwise, and he didn't understand why that would be wrong.

If you think Equius is irredeemably bad that's okay, whatever, you don't have to like all the characters, but Equius as an evil abuser isn't exactly the closest to canon.

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Re: Characterization problems

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 23rd, 2011 09:20 pm (UTC)
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Do you think all abusers act out of active malice?

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Re: Characterization problems

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 23rd, 2011 09:22 pm (UTC)
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AUs are the best. Fuck yeah Eridan In Leather Pants.

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Re: Characterization problems

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 23rd, 2011 09:34 pm (UTC)
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Since you're insisting he was trying to erase her whole personality and has no positive traits, sounds like you do.

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Re: Characterization problems

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 23rd, 2011 09:56 pm (UTC)
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DA

Nobody said that Equius tried to erase her entire personality, or that he had zero positive traits. But by all means continue using strawman arguments to try and pretend that what he did was boys being boys.

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Re: Characterization problems

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 23rd, 2011 10:19 pm (UTC)
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NA

No. No, shut the fuck up. I do not want to hear your opinions about which methods for raping women IRL are really bad and which are also bad but still forgivable. If you're going to defend Equius that's fine, but could you at least let me pretend your opinions about what he did to Aradia don't reflect on your opinions about real life sexual coercion?

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Re: Characterization problems

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 23rd, 2011 10:47 pm (UTC)
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Is there a reason you're raging over saying bad/worse but apparently fine with the reply saying it's different since it's the girl's fault for getting drunk?

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Re: Characterization problems

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 23rd, 2011 11:05 pm (UTC)
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AYRT

Thanks for reminding me about that. The reason is instantaneous rage burn-out. I'm not fine with it. If anything, it's more depressing that the person arguing fictional coercion is wrong has fucked up opinions about about coercion IRL.

And it's not just the words "bad/worse," it's them being used as part of analogy where "bad" equates to "just a mistake made out of immaturity but totally not malicious and completely forgivable."

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Re: /diff

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 23rd, 2011 11:20 pm (UTC)
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Hm. I could see that, but I think it'd lose the hemospectrum-as-wheel option, which I'm fond of.

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Re: Characterization problems

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 23rd, 2011 11:52 pm (UTC)
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Ha, I just read a Harry Potter crossover where the author purposefully had Leather Pants Eridan. An inspired choice.

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Re: Characterization problems

from: anonymous
date: Sep. 23rd, 2011 11:54 pm (UTC)
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Abusers may behave like the sweetest people in the world in every other respect. (Key word may.) That doesn't stop them being the scum of the earth or me from treating them as such.

Though Equius being a huge bigot doesn't help his case either.

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