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Sep. 12th, 2010 | 03:37 pm

CHAT ANONYMOUSLY ABOUT STUFF: General Anon Meme


It is what all the cool memes are doing nowadays!

The only rule is, don't be a total passive-aggressive douche. This isn't the place to spew all your vitriolic unrequited blackrom feelings for other members of of our dear fandom--or if you can't resist, at least don't mention them by name, that shit is just a little too petty. If it gets out of hand I'll ban you so fast Karkat would be impressed.

Other than that, hop to it, anons. And TITLE YOUR THREADS it could get pretty confusing all up in here if you didn't!



PS, as one kind anon pointed out, if you want to see the comments in chronological order instead of thread format, put ?view=flat after html in the URL. Or click here, whatever.
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Re: 4chords?

from: anonymous
date: Nov. 29th, 2011 01:59 pm (UTC)
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I don't understand the obsessive hate on most of the fandom has for 4chords. I don't really understand the obsessive love either but the hate seems especially ridiculous. Yeah, it's OOC, a little plotless, and almost certainly just an excuse to have pretty boys kissing but honestly why care so much? The artist is having fun and people are having fun reading it, if you don't like it just ignore it when it comes up on your dash. All the rage I've seen over it and especially that damn hate-blog are way over the top.

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Re: UPDATE

from: anonymous
date: Nov. 29th, 2011 03:22 pm (UTC)
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I'm just pleased at her referencing palemance, waiting for people to either start throwing a fit about a human character talking in troll romance terms. Kind of pleasantly surprised to see no one doing so thus far.

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sa

from: anonymous
date: Nov. 29th, 2011 03:23 pm (UTC)
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Wow, whoops. Minus "either." You can tell that was going to be an entirely different sentence when I first started.

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Re: 4chords?

from: anonymous
date: Nov. 29th, 2011 08:04 pm (UTC)
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4chords is pretty bad. It's not written very well; not just the characters and plotlessness but the dialogue is unmemorable and generic and I don't think she makes very good use of her panels (a lot of them seem to be taken up by surprised face shots, for example). She is a good artist but the muted tones she uses makes everything feel dull and lifeless, and that's amplified by the extremely simple backgrounds in most of the panels. It baffles me why she chose to use such a boring brown palette for Homestuck fanwork because Homestuck itself is so vibrant and I know she is capable of doing better.

For more petty complaints, I really hate how she draws Sollux because he is so manly and confident-looking and I don't think it suits him at all. He hasn't really been in the comic but based on the art and what she's said about him he seems to be the most out of character. Tavros' portrayal bothers me for a reason I can't quite put my finger on; he's a pushover in canon but he's not a weak blubbering damsel-in-distress, and I think 4chords is pushing him a little too far into the latter category. The scene with them kissing on the bed was just... no. This page (http://averyniceprince.tumblr.com/post/12516043106/thank-fuck-okay-from-now-on-i-think-the-updates) was particularly bad for Vriska, she would never freak out like that, although I appreciate that in a work centered around Gamzee and Tavros she's not being played as generically evil and unfeeling. Gamzee has the most whined about characterisation by far but nothing really sticks out to me as totally wrong at this point in time.

I also hate that all the girls are always in sexy outfits sitting sexily whenever she draws them outside of the comic proper, though before captchalogue piles on this one point it's not actually a huge double standard because she also draws the guys [not as overtly] sexualised. She's probably straight so she does male pinups in a way that is legitimately hot to her and does female pinups in a way that she's picked up from other sources, and she just draws more female pinups because they're more fun to do. So this complaint is largely irrational. I'm just tired of the girls in short skirts sticking their butts out for the camera.

ALL THAT BEING SAID it's not a plague on the fandom and the hateblogs dedicated to 4chords are fucking stupid. People are allowed to like it as much as I'm allowed to dislike it, and I don't think Emi is a bad person or a hack deliberately pandering to the ~~~~~yaoi fans~~~~~ so she can get more followers. She's having fun doing it.

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Re: 4chords?

from: anonymous
date: Nov. 29th, 2011 08:26 pm (UTC)
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It's bad. Objectively. It's a bad yaoi comic that needs to go hang out with the likes of Starfighter and Teahouse and stop pretending it's a Homestuck fanwork.

I used to really not be able to stand averyniceprince, but ever since that avnp hate blog drama went down, I've been a little more sympathetic toward her. She gets a lot more shit than merely being a crappy artist warrants.

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Re: UPDATE

from: anonymous
date: Nov. 30th, 2011 01:25 pm (UTC)
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She said that the Sburb files were just sitting around and waiting for her to take them, though. I do think it's cool that she outhaxxors Bro and enabled Brobot's novice setting with barely a thought.

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Re: UPDATE

from: anonymous
date: Nov. 30th, 2011 01:27 pm (UTC)
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A couple of people have gone 'sigh, but she's using it as an equivalent of BFFsy which Hussie already said it's not supposed to be.....' but I think they make a fair enough point.

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Re: UPDATE

from: anonymous
date: Nov. 30th, 2011 03:44 pm (UTC)
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That's what we've seen but that doesn't mean that's all there is.

And I guess, well, one way to cease reproduction is to kill your crush.

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Re: Alternian Justice

from: anonymous
date: Nov. 30th, 2011 05:31 pm (UTC)
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If things are too rigid, then Dualscar would never have had to ask the Highblood for anything, and couldn't have been killed by him.

There was something about a landdweller/seadweller divide, wasn't there? I could have sworn Equius or someone said something to that affect, in an Alterniabound maybe? The landdwellers only seem to care about the hemospectrum up to indigo. Equius treats Gamzee like the top dog while Eridan gets no respect from anyone, forced or otherwise. It's like it reaches a high point at indigo then dips for violet, and then you have the tyrian Empress at the top.

I've had the impression that the troll government works a bit like Japan's feudal system did--the Empress/Emperor (tyrian) is a presigious figurehead position with the court nobility directly below them (violet), but it's the shogun (Grand Highblood) and daimyo (other indigo) who hold true power as warlords. The Empress may appoint the Grand Highblood and he is free to make his own laws and enforce them on a national level; she can also dispose of him if she feels he's doing a shit job of it. The point to understand there in relation to Dualscar's execution is that the Grand Highblood answers only to the Empress, that he was trusted by her, and that Dualscar was an unfavoured noble who offended the right hand of the Empress to his face. If he's anything like Eridan his crime was probably something as simple as being too pompous and acting as if the colour of his blood meant he could issue orders to the Grand Highblood.

His execution might have also been a cause (or at least contributor) to the sea/land schism. Violets don't like that a lower caste can order their deaths as he chooses, blue and indigo think that violets are just a useless caste with bloated self-importance and don't want to hand over any power to them. An unjust execution would really aggravate tensions between the two groups.

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Re: UPDATE

from: anonymous
date: Nov. 30th, 2011 05:41 pm (UTC)
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she's a human, she doesn't really get what pale romance truly means because she was not brought up in a culture that understands and practices it and thinks it's important and sacred

lalonde is using it incorrectly as the fandom is wont to do

not sure if that's intentional or not mind you but "it's a minor jab" is better than "hussie forgot"

also this is like #2 for reasons not to listen to shit he said on formspring, stuff changes and what used to be unofficially correct nine months ago or whatever might end up contradicting with what appears in the actual story because a lot of the "serious" questions are just him thinking out loud and he can easily cut out those lines of thinking if he no longer likes them (#1 reason not to listen is that he lies).

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Re: 4chords?

from: anonymous
date: Dec. 1st, 2011 01:37 am (UTC)
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She's bi, actually. It's right there in her profile.

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Re: Haha, cool! :D

from: anonymous
date: Dec. 1st, 2011 04:04 am (UTC)
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My favorite would definetely be Gamzee. I guess maybe since I'm a bit of a pothead, I just found him endlessely amusing. Not to mention that I'm a good fan of senseless murder and shit going of the mOtHeRfUcKiN' dEeP eNd with blood so the sober shit sorta sealed that deal up
I mean sure everyone that he killed was pretty fuckin' dope too but it's kinda hard to hate Gamzee i mean look at the girth of his motherfuckin' honks
Man I'd like to slap down and share a wicked faygo and pie and engage in some miracles with him
Hell i'd love to bump knuckles and chill with the guy, he lived pretty cool before he ran out of slime and i can respect him

I guess I like Vriska the least, but I don't hate her. But honestly, some of the shit she pulled was not oKaY by human or troll standards (eg fooling john, helping create bec noir, tormenting tavros, manipul8ing people) and it pissed me off a bit that she didn't get her just desserts for it. It was just kinda unfair that she never had to pay for what she did; she got a romance with a cute goofy kid, acheived godhood; and hell, I wanted to see her crumble and get a good pow in the fuckin kisser from karma.

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Re: Stuff you'd never say

from: anonymous
date: Dec. 1st, 2011 04:08 am (UTC)
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Stop fuckig creaming yourselves over the fact that Gamzee wanted to make out with Tavros.
I mean JESUS he makes one little advance and everyone assumes they're ooooooh in love ooooooooh
imo it's because it's the only canon YAOIS

I mean seriously, I'll indulge myself in a little GamTav every now and then
but chill the fuck out everyone.

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Re: OTP THREAD

from: anonymous
date: Dec. 1st, 2011 04:11 am (UTC)
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Gamzee/Eridan
because fuck yes for crack
it's cute nyway i mean eridan just wants a lil lovve and gam wants to givve a little

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Re: FAVORITE HOMESTUCK CROSSOVERS

from: anonymous
date: Dec. 1st, 2011 04:32 am (UTC)
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Lord of The Rings

Sorry in advance for any misspelled names; eons since i read this book or saw the movies

Vriska and Tavros = Golem/Smeagol
Karkat = Frodo ( GOG DAMMIT GIVE ME THE FUCKING RING, IT'D BE A FUCKING MIRACLE IF YOU RETARDED BICKERING ASSHOLES EVEN MADE IT TO MORDOR)
Gamzee = Sam
(Casey & Mewgon = Mary & Pippin)????????
Equius = Legolas (would that make Nepete Gimli idefk)
John = Aragorn
Terezi = Galdalf
Feferi = Erowyn
Kanaya = Arwin
Rose = Galadriel

Noir = Sauron
Eridan = Sauruman
Imps = Orcs

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Re: 4chords?

from: anonymous
date: Dec. 1st, 2011 04:48 am (UTC)
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In other words, she's fandom bi.

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Mayor of Meme Town

Re: 4chords?

from: captchalogue
date: Dec. 1st, 2011 04:52 am (UTC)
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Let's not get into this, please, thanks in advance.

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Re: 4chords?

from: anonymous
date: Dec. 1st, 2011 04:52 am (UTC)
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Orrr she's just bi.

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Re: 4chords?

from: anonymous
date: Dec. 1st, 2011 04:54 am (UTC)
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Making assumptions about someone's proclaimed sexuality: totes okay as long as you don't like what they do.

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Re: The 100% Official Listing Of Homestuck Pairings That Suck

from: anonymous
date: Dec. 1st, 2011 06:02 am (UTC)
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This list is accurate while also being beautifully offensive. Fuck, man, even I'm offended! But, the beautiful part is that, even if I want to defend those pairings, what's written here is painfully true and I won't be able to do anything but begrudgingly agree. Besides, presenting any counter-argument would only be a restatement of this in a much more watered-down, generally 'nicer' sounding way.
OP you make me feel horrible for liking some of these pairings.
And I love your possibly unintentional mindgames.
Fuck it, op, I love you.

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Re: The 100% Official Listing Of Homestuck Pairings That Suck

from: anonymous
date: Dec. 1st, 2011 06:51 am (UTC)
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The point of that post was to make fun of people who make shipping into a frothing moral/political morass and make oftentimes invalid assumptions about people who like a ship. Also, you can find morally ambiguous things in literally every pair you come across.

I don't know why this needs to be spelled out. The OP is dripping with sarcasm.

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Re: UPDATE

from: anonymous
date: Dec. 1st, 2011 08:02 am (UTC)
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I agree with the first part of your comment, but the moirallegiance stuff was spelled out in canon as not just being "bffsy". Although I like the minor jab option more thand the can't be arsed option too.

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Troll Influence on Scratched World

from: anonymous
date: Dec. 1st, 2011 10:45 am (UTC)
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Jake's island is crawling with lusi and Lalonde is talking about palemances. (Incorrectly, but whatever, I'll take it.) Obviously this world is troll-influenced. But to what extent, and why?

Is it because Kanaya helped Jade with the frog breeding? Did Doc Scratch/Lord English do it for whatever nefarious reason? Or is it just that Jake's island is really, really weird, and Lalonde pays a lot more attention to what UU/other trolls say than the other human kids do?

(Come to think of it, is there even any reason to believe that Jake's island is on the same planet as the other three kids? Yeah, he talks to the others and DS sent him the Brobot, but Jake has a machine which can send things between the pre- and post-Scratch worlds and people communicate from improbable locations all the time in Homestuck.)

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Re: Troll Influence on Scratched World

from: anonymous
date: Dec. 1st, 2011 01:10 pm (UTC)
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Two words: Betty Crocker. She runs a baked goods empire that conveniently also produces mind-control computers and likely influences a whole ton of shit behind the scenes. She's also the goddamn Condesce.

Bam, there you go.

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Re: Troll Influence on Scratched World

from: anonymous
date: Dec. 1st, 2011 01:26 pm (UTC)
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Is it because Kanaya helped Jade with the frog breeding?
That could be really interesting, and it would be nicely mythic.

Lalonde probably isn't in close contact with UU, since UU mentioned not being able to keep track of her as easily as she could the other three kids. The troll terms could easily be due to the Condesce/Betty Crocker influence. The lusus herds are probably beyond her scope, though, and would she be interested in planting them only on Jake's island? Jane doesn't believe in fantastic fauna, so they're probably localised.

If Jake's island is on the same planet as the others, I call influence from the beta kids and the trolls, since most of the lusi we see are "our' trolls" lusi. I think it was right before killing Equius that Gamzee was sitting on a giant incubator thing that contained Seagoatdad - maybe Scratch/English had him do clone lusi for ... some reason? There might also be something significant about having two Space and Time players among the kids and trolls. Three are god tier and one is undead, so they could employ a lot of power to do mysterious stuff.

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