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Sep. 12th, 2010 | 03:37 pm

CHAT ANONYMOUSLY ABOUT STUFF: General Anon Meme


It is what all the cool memes are doing nowadays!

The only rule is, don't be a total passive-aggressive douche. This isn't the place to spew all your vitriolic unrequited blackrom feelings for other members of of our dear fandom--or if you can't resist, at least don't mention them by name, that shit is just a little too petty. If it gets out of hand I'll ban you so fast Karkat would be impressed.

Other than that, hop to it, anons. And TITLE YOUR THREADS it could get pretty confusing all up in here if you didn't!



PS, as one kind anon pointed out, if you want to see the comments in chronological order instead of thread format, put ?view=flat after html in the URL. Or click here, whatever.
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Re: 2/15 Goddamnit, Hussie.

from: anonymous
date: Feb. 15th, 2011 08:50 pm (UTC)
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The thing is though, sexism isn't the same as arguing over which characters you like or what character/plot developments are currently happening. It's a very real, serious, and bad problem in the real world that affects a very large portion of the population every day. People have every right to be worried about this, especially since it's usually so ubiquitous, and if you're not a female author it's very easy to slip into gender imbalance. Homestuck has tried to stay gender-balanced for a long time, and the fact that Hussie is seemingly throwing that out the window now is worrying, and readers have every right to be bitter about it.

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Re: In response to all the claims that Hussie is a misogynist

from: anonymous
date: Feb. 15th, 2011 08:52 pm (UTC)
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Yes, because everyone knows that being a humour-oriented comic gives you the right to do or say anything you want! And gods forbid anyone actually like Homestuck for any of its countless elements other than its humour! They're all so silly, definitely.

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oh my god, so many words where did these come from

from: anonymous
date: Feb. 15th, 2011 09:30 pm (UTC)
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When was she unambiguously evil? People have been arguing about her from day one. Whether it's about troll culture, or killing Aradia, or Spidermom, or crippling Tavros, or being manipulated by Terezi and Scratch. I don't like her at all, and honestly I don't really like what she's done for the story, but she's always been complex.

Suddenly doing an 'objectively good' action would be AGAINST all her character development, I think, because sometimes character development does not mean turning good. It means becoming a more realised character, and in Vriska's case... well, we'll have to see, but so far it's always been a see-saw. Even if her ultimate fate is redemption, her suddenly doing purely good actions for purely good reasons is pretty bad writing, imo.

You know what, I don't even think killing Eridan would BE an objectively good action anyway. It's still murder, even if they 'deserved it'. People were getting up Terezi for wanting to execute Vriska for killing Tavros, for perpetuating the revenge cycle. And while part of it might be protecting her friends... I bet part of it is revenge, part of it is Mindfang's thing, and part of it is still glory. She's still on with her plan to fight Jack, according her last pesterlog with John, and that means killing anyone on his side. The best option is not always the good one.

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Re: oh my god, so many words where did these come from

from: anonymous
date: Feb. 15th, 2011 09:57 pm (UTC)
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Ah, sorry about that, I've never managed to keep up with daily fan reactions. What I meant more was that she has slowly become more sympathetic over time.

And yes, it's not all black and white. I suppose the only option is to wait and see. Though mainly, I reacted the way I did since I thought it was "OMG Vriska is so EEEEEEVIL how could she possibly do something GOOD that would make me not think she's EVIL so it would totally RUIN HER CHARACTER!!!" or something, and I'm really sick of stuff like that by this point.

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Re: 2/15 Goddamnit, Hussie.

from: anonymous
date: Feb. 15th, 2011 10:04 pm (UTC)
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How is Hussie making gender imbalances now?

Ohhh so a female character is in danger now, how sexist right?

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Re: In response to all the claims that Hussie is a misogynist

from: anonymous
date: Feb. 15th, 2011 10:10 pm (UTC)
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Andrew Hussie is a misogynist when:

-A female character is in any sort of danger.
-A female character is wearing a skirt.
-A female character is sexy
-A female character dies.
-A female character is motherly.
-A female character is into fashion or clothing.
-A female character is doing something very risky that borders on the "insane".
-A female character is being emotional.
-A female character is nice.
-A female character is bitchy
-A female character is lesbian and in any sort of danger.
-A female character is evil.
-A female character is morally ambiguous even though many people in real life are like that.
-A female character isn't getting enough attention.
-A female character likes girly things.
-A female character is defeated in something.
-A female character shows ANY kind of "weakness" even if the male characters show the same weakness.

It's like the inverse of the Mary-Sue thing, wherein a character just has to be interesting and female to qualify as a Mary-Sue.

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Re: In response to all the claims that Hussie is a misogynist

from: anonymous
date: Feb. 15th, 2011 10:13 pm (UTC)
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You can do something wrong without actively hating women.

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Re: 2/15 Goddamnit, Hussie.

from: anonymous
date: Feb. 15th, 2011 10:13 pm (UTC)
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And ...? Do you think she reached God Tier solely to guide Dave in the afterlife?

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Re: oh my god, so many words where did these come from

from: anonymous
date: Feb. 15th, 2011 10:15 pm (UTC)
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I don't like to judge people off the bat, and nor do I like to do that to fictional characters. Yet this is a common pastime for many people, especially on the internet.

It's your loss however.

Whatever happened to "Don't judge a person until you walk a mile in their shoes"?

I think these are things to keep in mind when discussing characters that are ambiguous in their morality and actions like Vriska. Though it was rather sickening when people began to agree that Tavros was indeed a weak little fucker just because he couldn't do the rational thing during a very irrational event.

Such is Fundamental Attribution Error.

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Re: In response to all the claims that Hussie is a misogynist

from: anonymous
date: Feb. 15th, 2011 10:15 pm (UTC)
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Sometimes it feels like the standards for female characters are so high, I can't even see the line.

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Re: 2/15 Goddamnit, Hussie.

from: anonymous
date: Feb. 15th, 2011 10:18 pm (UTC)
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Haven't we also had like two male characters die and two female characters come back to life in some form or another? And that's just the recent troll deaths.

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Re: 2/15 Goddamnit, Hussie.

from: anonymous
date: Feb. 15th, 2011 10:24 pm (UTC)
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The first character introduced in each group is male. The most important characters are male. The most powerful characters are male. The important, powerful female characters there are are marked for death.

Tavros died as part of a long running subplot. Equius died as part of his character. Feferi, Kanaya and Nepeta just...died. And there's been long running thing where the girls are mysterious and crazy and spending a lot of time off camera. And the whole thing with the Ring.

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Re: 2/15 Goddamnit, Hussie.

from: anonymous
date: Feb. 15th, 2011 10:28 pm (UTC)
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Another girl whose ultimate power is a defensive support move? Hussie is standing on lava he's breaking such new ground here.

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Re: 2/15 Goddamnit, Hussie.

from: anonymous
date: Feb. 15th, 2011 10:34 pm (UTC)
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Stop jumping on each and every chance to scream feminism when we don't even know what's going to happen? Probably.

If something's been bad the last dozen times, people aren't going to expect it to go well the thirteenth time.

Yeah, it might go well this time and I'm sure everyone objecting now will be relieved. But trusting a writer to not do this is an earned thing and he's been blowing through that trust recently.

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Re: oh my god, so many words where did these come from

from: anonymous
date: Feb. 15th, 2011 11:02 pm (UTC)
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I've never liked this argument, really, it feels like it's just making excuses.

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